Kosmo's Coaching Program & My Venusian Arts experience

[jlove]

First of all, I do not consider myself a “Pick up Artist.” Like many guys, I went down that path after a bad breakup. I have been involved in the “community” since 2009 where I attended the Stylelife conference. A few months later I went to a Venusian Arts boot camp in San Francisco. Going out with the VA guys was a party like I had never experienced, but then again, I’d never really partied throughout high school and my college years so being “Star Stuck” and actually talking to girls without getting blown out right away, made for an exciting time. It was here that I met Kosmo, who I later hired to be my in-field coach for a private session that Sunday night. After an expensive boot camp, I shouldn’t have needed another in-field session, and I have no idea why I bought one. I think I was star struck at the chance to go out with the crew again.

Kosmo told me when to give IOI’s, roll off, and qualify while I was physically in set. He was an outstanding wingman for the first part of the night. After securing a pull to the hotel, Kosmo disappeared leaving myself with Mystery and Discovery. Looking back, it wasn’t so much Kosmo’s influence as the social value generated by the whole VA crew working the room and the expensive camera they put around my neck. To this day the girl I pulled probably still thinks I am a professional photographer for VH1. In truth, she barely registers as a “5.” From my standpoint, I took one for the team to help Discovery. I realized later it wasn’t my “Game” so much, as the social value Mystery, Kosmo, and Discovery generated that I happened to be a part of by affiliation. After my year long dry spell and extensive period of solitude, I was happy with a hole and a heartbeat that weighed less than 200 pounds. I took the pictures on Discovery’s Facebook page in 2009 where he’s holding the good looking huge breasted girl in his arms in San Francisco. I hooked up with her friend, the obstacle.

After San Francisco I kept in contact with Kosmo. This guy will come across as a personal friend… until he gets what he wants. He eventually convinced me of a “deal” that I needed to act fast on. For a limited time, he was offering guys the opportunity of paying $5000.00 to receive coaching training and someday work for him. This of course, typically went for $9000.00. Since I was “special” as one of his first coaches, I would get a discount. These types of “deals” are classic marketing hype and bullshit that permeate throughout the PUA community. I had myself, and my family convinced I would be a dating coach and help guys that “used” to be like me (when I got better of course). I sold my car and downgraded to something more economical. Then cut a check to Kosmo. In reality, I hadn’t seen a lot of success and hardly had the courage to go lone wolfing. Paying Kosmo up front was a huge mistake, because he didn’t give a shit once the money’s was in his pocket.

The original agreement with Kosmo was never met, because the level of his commitment is negligible. Another coaching student and I, who will remain nameless, paid $5000.00 for 18 in-field sessions. Incidentally, this same student also paid $5000 but was told not to let anyone know because everyone else supposedly paid $9000.00. The other student also only got 16 of his promised 18 sessions. In the end, I only received 11 of my promised 18 and never coached anyone. Kosmo insisted I only had 4 left instead of 7. To top it off, I never once got laid at a Kosmo boot camp. Talk about being frustrated and angry. I declined an additional two in- fields which would have brought me to a total of 13 received from Kosmo. I was pissed off and decided his services were a waste of time. I’d rather be at a Playboy Mansion party than hitting random clubs in L.A. with a “guru” who has chronically ignored me in-field and I had never pulled anything under his wing while in the coaching program. There are some quality coaches that would have appreciated my business and made every dime count. Hell, I could have toured a few countries in Eastern Europe full of gorgeous, bi-lingual women that love American men or capped out a Roth IRA for a year.

I won’t go over each and every night we went out. But I will share enough information to give considering students a warning to avoid this guy. From the start there was an attitude that I should feel “privileged” to be out with him because I got such an “Amazing” discount. The original agreement was I would work for him as a coach after completing his program. Later on he informed us the coaches in his program were to help us start our own companies. I only know of one person who truly works “for” Kosmo occasionally. That person built a web page on his behalf, and I don’t know if they received money for it or not. Unlike some of the other coaching students … I never truly coached during any of the boot camps. In the beginning, the program was a decent experience. If I froze up, he would have me go around the room saying “Hi” to everyone. Logic tells me, this was to combat the dreaded “approach anxiety” and hopefully get me in state. We had a couple of 1 on 1’s where he helped me build routine stacks tailored to things I do, then I was on my own. Out of 11 in-fields I can only think of a couple nights where he was a true “wing” for me. That was after I ejected from the set, and hounded him for ten minutes to show me how to isolate a hot Swedish girl. He acted annoyed, and then demonstrated by walking into the set and taking off with my target somewhere in the club for roughly a half hour. I’ll never forget how it was done, but at the same time, I didn’t get into “Game” to hand off hot girls to guys who can get them already. I wanted to get laid, and have a coach who gave a shit. I made the comment “we should pull those girls out of here.” He tells me “that was like, two hours ago.” Really?? Thanks man, real nice. I watched that girl leave with another guy, and the whole set was lost. I received no guidance for where to progress next. There was a period of a couple months where I never heard from him, and suddenly to “make up for it” filmed day game on Santa Monica Boulevard. I got some decent feedback, learned some things about myself, but never once got to see the footage. When those of us involved asked about it, we got told it would take some money because the filmed information would need some special editing and etc etc.

The final straw happened in Vegas. Not only did Kosmo blow off the students in his coaching program. He offered a kid who had one boot camp a coaching opportunity if he paid $500.00. The kid did a good job his first boot camp, but that was due to the guidance of a coaching program student who actually cared and gave him some awesome 1v1 guidance…..not Kosmo. But, I didn’t get offered to coach that weekend as someone “supposedly” getting trained to coach. Talk about an insulting and infuriating experience. I was also told that Kosmo tried to get some of his former students to pay $1000 to come and do his work for him as coaches. After that weekend, I told him his services were no longer needed. He tried to invite me to do a couple more sessions that conflicted with a trip to the Playboy Mansion. He didn’t even acknowledge that I basically fired him when I told him I had no interest in the remaining sessions.
If I had to summarize Kosmo’s business and coaching practices in two words it would be dishonest and uncaring. If you pay him in advanced for a set amount of in fields, prepare to be shorted his attention and the full amount promised. Also prepare to get reminded about how “privileged” you are to get such an awesome discount. What constitutes an “in field’ is if he is present. Not if he is doing anything to help you. I did a fashion boot camp with his girlfriend in the L.A. flea markets which I was told later counted as “two” in fields. Nothing against her, she is great. But it serves as an example of the nickel and dime approach Kosmo takes with his clients.

If you want a coach that truly invests and wings you when you’re out, then you’re better off looking elsewhere. The only thing Kosmo cares about is getting the money out of your pocket. It takes more than memorized gambits to become your best self. Find and appreciate coaches that recognize this and want you to succeed, not Hollywood con artists fueling their ego while lining their wallet. As far as Venusian Arts goes today, their in-field coaches are nothing more than guys that paid some ridiculous price of around 10,000 to be in the VA coaching program. Most of them are more concerned about getting better at their “game” than a student’s successes. These guys carry themselves with a false sense of value by being in the “coaching” program, but perform little better than AFCs in field. It’s real easy to come across as an alpha male amongst a herd of betas, which is typically what most guys that show up at a Venusian Arts seminar are (I was one). Their value comes from affiliation due to a financial investment. Furthermore, I’ve personally had one night where I ran circles around a couple of them in a club in L.A. while they were standing against the wall approaching no one and staring at groups in the room. The paying clients I have talked to during my last seminar session with the VA program had nothing good to say about their in-field experience with their coaches. From my standpoint Venusian Arts is mainly comprised of nothing more than glorified sociopaths charging outrageous fees. Their seminars covering the basics including body language and topics of discussion are really good. Regarding in field experience however, If you really want to pay an exorbitantly high cost for training you can receive elsewhere, just hire Mystery or one of the guys directly to be your wingman. He actually cares, and wants you to get laid. For most people, there are more cost effective alternatives that will get equally good results without the VH1 hype jacking up the price tag.

Lastly, I think people should know that was made to promise that I write this review, and it has been edited and evaluated several times over. I fulfilled that promise because I am a man of my word, and was constantly reminded it was my duty to warn good guys. Simply put, I am well beyond this situation and the negative side of the community. In fact, negativity doesn't fit into my persona or lifestyle anymore. Currently, I am in a relationship with the Swedish girl I pulled from the Playboy Mansion party. We have plans to move in together when I move to Sweden in roughly six months. She flew me to Stockholm for Christmas, and paid for the hotel costs during our trip to Nice France to watch the F1 race in Monaco this summer (580E a night). Nothing Kosmo taught me was involved; it was just me being congruent with my personality and unapologetic or afraid to express what I wanted when we met, I've stayed genuine since……best self gents. I am no long actively involved in the PUA community outside of a few forums and Facebook groups. But if you want to contact me and ask about details, or for coaching recommendations, you are welcome to. I’ll sleep better knowing I made the journey better for another guy trying to change his life. Guys I met in the community did far more to point out ways I needed to advance my internal game than Kosmo or VA ever did. What you really want is a life coach that is great with women and offers a more holistic approach beyond gambits and routines. They should want your success, not your dependency. If you’re only constant goal is to be validated by women, you’ve missed the mark entirely. Sarge on friends, and stay the &%*$ away from Kosmo!

[Jay-T]

Ummmm....I don't think anyone here would pay for that? We have Bravo. thanks for the warning though I guess

[Ice]

good post


reminds the guys of what's out there


alleged "guru's" taking advantage of guys coming to them for help when they're in such a desperate state


haven't heard much of kosmos myself


now we know better

[KingOfAces]

nice breakdown. unfortunately there's way too much of that shit out there...

[Rogue4Life]

Appreciate the breakdown. I think kosmos was that dude from the VH1 show too.

[DJNinja]

Probably the guy from the VH1 show...

Gotta mention that there is a guy here named kosmos, probably not the same guy that the OP is referring to, the kosmos here is actually pretty cool

[jlove]

Yes- I am referring to Kosmo, the winner from "The Pick Up Artist" Season 1.