What company can I trust?

[jigsaw]

Aside from Bravo obviously, what major PUA companies can I trust to provide good training? I know Bravo said I can't trust SLA. The big 4 I am curious about are Venusian Arts, Real Social Dynamics, Love Systems, and PUA Training (that British company).

[Bravo]

depends what you are looking for


I will say, Tyler might be one of the nicest guys from The Game that I have met

I have taught at the most recent Steve P seminar which also had hypnotica (wouldnt go there if I didn't like them)

DJ Fuji is a very solid dude


so they are out there

[jigsaw]

Thanks Bravo,
I heard the biggest company is Love Systems. They were on ABC Nightline last November. I know that some guys from the book The Game work there. What have you heard about LS?

[Bravo]

from what I know-

falling out with Mystery- when then formed Venusian Arts

looks like they renamed lots of stuff so it looks like their own

posted on their forum about an Az meet up, then they banned me

Savoy friended my on facebook, but after I asked about why I got banned, he deleted me

so lots of chicken shit stuff....hard for me to think they would be solid when they do stuff like that, and after listening to him talk



you have to remember 95% of the stuff you read/hear about in the PUA world is all bullshit internet marketing

look at the guy(s) you are going to study under and see if they are living a life you would like to

[jigsaw]

I heard about the fall out with Mystery. I know you posted on Venusian Arts forum and said that you heard good things about Revelation. I am guessing RSD has good stuff since you say Tyler is cool. The UK company PUA Training has a guy called Adam Lyons.

"look at the guy(s) you are going to study under and see if they are living a life you would like to"

Well, I would like to feel more socially empowered and be able to pick the woman of my choice for a satisfying LTR. I guess I would respect a PUA for not only being a master at picking up women, but keeping them in a relationship as well. God damn it. Everything is so damn confusing for a newbie like me . I feel so frustrated

[Bravo]

It's really not

I'd just take FULL advantage of all the free stuff here. Flashchats, the forum, my blog. Then get some calls with me if you need them. Search the forum, or read the comments under the coaching call-blog section to see what others say

[jigsaw]

Thanks again Bravo,
I guess I am more concerned about getting bad advice than I am dealing with marketing shit. I suppose I was drawn to Love Systems because they offered a variety of advice in their products and workshops: inner game, hired guns, day game, phone game, relationships. What I meant by frustration for a newbie like me was the confusing information from all the commercialism. By the way do you know where I can learn some cool DHV routines?

[Fame]

There are plenty of resources here, I can't tell you how many times I talk to NSM, Maestro, and KoA when I'm in a jam, they've helped me grow so much more than I can imagine. And on the otherside, I hang out with Taz, and Swandive and that helps me grow aswell.

I recently a month ago became pretty happy with my inner game, I made a method I learned from school totally different from the usual and it's free. .

Most of the questions you have can be answered here, plenty of wise guys on here. Just ask a question they will answer.

[KingOfAces]

Thanks again Bravo,
I guess I am more concerned about getting bad advice than I am dealing with marketing shit. I suppose I was drawn to Love Systems because they offered a variety of advice in their products and workshops: inner game, hired guns, day game, phone game, relationships. What I meant by frustration for a newbie like me was the confusing information from all the commercialism. By the way do you know where I can learn some cool DHV routines?

all those topics that you listed that love systems offers, you can learn right on this forum for free. this is without a doubt the best pua forum out there. not just because it has some real quality guys that you can learn from, but also because it's a bullshit free zone. it's real.

rather than spend money to sign up for any companies programs, regardless of what their so called programs consist of, it's a much better use of money to purchase some coaching calls with bravo. you can speak one on one to the one of the most skilled pickup teachers out there. which is so much more rewarding than joining some club or getting on some email list, etc.

this is the place you need to be spending your time if you really want to learn...

[Virgil Flowers]

I've learned more from this forum for free than any other product I've seen out there. If you are a complete newb this forum is the best place to start because everything will be solid. Once you get to a certain level you'll be able to snuff the bullshit out on your own.